A lot of really random crap
Man, I see gorgeous drawings like this for Avengers reverse big bang and I think, I really need to get my shit together and finish my due South big bang. I mean, I've done a lot of work too, and I have 10 drawings, but none of them have backgrounds yet and many of them really just feel like portrait shots, not proper scenes. I really love how this artist has drawn a series of proper scenes, with backgrounds and all. I'm awful at that kind of thing. ^^
(off now to read the accompanying story by![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
foxxcub - wingfic!ftw)
Also, yes, I have been reading way too much Avengers fic recently... and fandom is pulling me into Clint/Phil, for all that I didn't really get the pairing at first because of, you know. The complete lack of actual canon interaction. ^^ But hell, I was in Pundit fandom and shipped Keith/Anderson... that was definitely an example of how fandom can create an entire narrative of two people/characters who rarely interact! Which I find really quite fascinating, actually, because (esp in RPF), in these cases fandom really creates a collective idea of how these relationships work, and how these two characters interact, without having much of anything to actually go on. And yet, because of this collective narrative, you end up with many fics that are based on that same idea of how these charactes work together, and you end up with a lot of the same tropes (I've come across quite a few common ones in Clint/Phil fic already, most of which I image were basically created by fandom).
Anyway. I don't know if that made sense, but I've been thinking about it lately. :) It's definitely an interesting phenomenon, especially when you get a very popular pairing within a fandom where that pairing doesn't actually have much or any canon interaction or subtext or whatnot. So really, it takes reading a bunch of fic to get into it, and then of course once you DO read that fic, you start to get invested and end up hooked (at least potentially). That's what happened to me in pundit fandom! I started off reading Jon/Stephen because they have all the real life interaction and subtext and slashiness, and then Keith & Anderson who show up in fics as a side pairing, and then I became intrigued. Even though the actual RL interaction between them that we know of is very minor.
(and of course, the ways that fandom creates the narratives of 'characters' in RPF is a whole other (though similar) interesting topic. I used to think about it quite a bit when I was in that fandom, because it's quite fascinating how we take what we know of these people's lives and personalities, and build up a fictional character around that information. And then you have this collective idea of who the character is, to the point that you can read a fic and go "this is out of character!" even though, really, the 'character' has little to do with the real person to begin with.)
ANYWAY. I don't know how I got on this tangent. -_- Oh yeah. I've been reading a lot of Clint/Phil and digging it. The end. :)
Oh, and also, I read this fic where Clint is turned into a corgi (AND IT IS SO CUTE, GO READ), and my mind (which is still partially in Dark Knight fandom) started mentally writing a fic where Bruce is turned into a dog and Jim takes care of him. Except Jim doesn't know that Batman is Bruce yet - he sees Batman somehow turned into a dog (don't ask me how I don't care) and now he has a Batdog to take care of. And wow this sounds even sillier outside of my head than inside. Do not expect this to turn into a real story. ^^ But go read the Clint fic, because it is awesome!
As for my big bang - claim post is up on![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
ds_c6d_bigbang and I'm still waiting for someone to claim it. I'm trying not to be hurt and depressed that no one has yet... because a lot of people seemed excited about it when I was working on it, but now no one has claimed it. :( Anyway I'm sure it'll happen eventually. I'd just kinda hoped it'd be right away, because I am vain like that!
I still need to finish it by Oct 7, but I made a lot of progress the last few weeks. Much more in a few weeks than I did for much of the summer. During a panel at RCW I finally broke my artist's block and sketched for the entire panel. It was a huge relief, and very satisfying.
And on a final note, to end this otherwise silly post in a not-exactly-cheerful way, I suppose I should mention on here (though most of you know I know IRL already know), that my grandfather passed away last week. He'd been sick for a couple of weeks, and has had dementia for the past couple of years that was getting worse, so it was really more of a blessing than anything. But it's still been weird and rather sad. So yeah. That happened. I'm ok (honestly), but thought I should mention it. :)
And to end this post on an actual cheerful note after that, here, have a rec for some pure, unadulterated, completely and utterly filthy, four-some Avengers Tony-Steve-Clint-Phil porn. Seriously. SO FUCKING HOT.
Also I really need some Avengers icons. -_- All I have is this old Tony one from when Iron Man came out.
(off now to read the accompanying story by
foxxcub - wingfic!ftw)Also, yes, I have been reading way too much Avengers fic recently... and fandom is pulling me into Clint/Phil, for all that I didn't really get the pairing at first because of, you know. The complete lack of actual canon interaction. ^^ But hell, I was in Pundit fandom and shipped Keith/Anderson... that was definitely an example of how fandom can create an entire narrative of two people/characters who rarely interact! Which I find really quite fascinating, actually, because (esp in RPF), in these cases fandom really creates a collective idea of how these relationships work, and how these two characters interact, without having much of anything to actually go on. And yet, because of this collective narrative, you end up with many fics that are based on that same idea of how these charactes work together, and you end up with a lot of the same tropes (I've come across quite a few common ones in Clint/Phil fic already, most of which I image were basically created by fandom).
Anyway. I don't know if that made sense, but I've been thinking about it lately. :) It's definitely an interesting phenomenon, especially when you get a very popular pairing within a fandom where that pairing doesn't actually have much or any canon interaction or subtext or whatnot. So really, it takes reading a bunch of fic to get into it, and then of course once you DO read that fic, you start to get invested and end up hooked (at least potentially). That's what happened to me in pundit fandom! I started off reading Jon/Stephen because they have all the real life interaction and subtext and slashiness, and then Keith & Anderson who show up in fics as a side pairing, and then I became intrigued. Even though the actual RL interaction between them that we know of is very minor.
(and of course, the ways that fandom creates the narratives of 'characters' in RPF is a whole other (though similar) interesting topic. I used to think about it quite a bit when I was in that fandom, because it's quite fascinating how we take what we know of these people's lives and personalities, and build up a fictional character around that information. And then you have this collective idea of who the character is, to the point that you can read a fic and go "this is out of character!" even though, really, the 'character' has little to do with the real person to begin with.)
ANYWAY. I don't know how I got on this tangent. -_- Oh yeah. I've been reading a lot of Clint/Phil and digging it. The end. :)
Oh, and also, I read this fic where Clint is turned into a corgi (AND IT IS SO CUTE, GO READ), and my mind (which is still partially in Dark Knight fandom) started mentally writing a fic where Bruce is turned into a dog and Jim takes care of him. Except Jim doesn't know that Batman is Bruce yet - he sees Batman somehow turned into a dog (don't ask me how I don't care) and now he has a Batdog to take care of. And wow this sounds even sillier outside of my head than inside. Do not expect this to turn into a real story. ^^ But go read the Clint fic, because it is awesome!
As for my big bang - claim post is up on
ds_c6d_bigbang and I'm still waiting for someone to claim it. I'm trying not to be hurt and depressed that no one has yet... because a lot of people seemed excited about it when I was working on it, but now no one has claimed it. :( Anyway I'm sure it'll happen eventually. I'd just kinda hoped it'd be right away, because I am vain like that!I still need to finish it by Oct 7, but I made a lot of progress the last few weeks. Much more in a few weeks than I did for much of the summer. During a panel at RCW I finally broke my artist's block and sketched for the entire panel. It was a huge relief, and very satisfying.
And on a final note, to end this otherwise silly post in a not-exactly-cheerful way, I suppose I should mention on here (though most of you know I know IRL already know), that my grandfather passed away last week. He'd been sick for a couple of weeks, and has had dementia for the past couple of years that was getting worse, so it was really more of a blessing than anything. But it's still been weird and rather sad. So yeah. That happened. I'm ok (honestly), but thought I should mention it. :)
And to end this post on an actual cheerful note after that, here, have a rec for some pure, unadulterated, completely and utterly filthy, four-some Avengers Tony-Steve-Clint-Phil porn. Seriously. SO FUCKING HOT.
Also I really need some Avengers icons. -_- All I have is this old Tony one from when Iron Man came out.
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Hmm, I have to disagree with the idea that there's no "out of character" thing in RPF. A lot of times, it depends on the available data (such as video) to corroborate or not how close to the canon an RPF character can be.
For instance, in Bandom, I mostly read MCR fic. There are certain premises I can't buy if the story's set in a canonical timeline (meaning during a tour or a video shoot or a famous interview). Example: Mikeyway and Gerard Way--two brothers who have always gotten along--being estranged or actively disliking each other doesn't compute in my mind if what I'm reading isn't a story where they are carpenters or college professors or anything else AU.
Mostly because there's nothing in the canon (down to interaction with fans on the street) that would give weight to the idea that the Way brothers hated each other.
Or, to put it in C6D RPF terms, that'd be like a story in which Martha Burns and Katee Sackoff having a romance that leads Martha to leave Paul Gross. I...would have a really hard time sitting through a story like that because Paul and Martha's relationship appears to be solid. Also, because Martha and Katee hasn't (to my knowledge) ever crossed paths.
My 0.02 cents
ETA: I'm sorry for your loss. :(
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What I meant was that part of the characterization we see in RPF is built collectively by fandom - since we don't really know the actual people, we are extrapolating from what we DO know and building a fictional character. Which may or may not resemble the real person, but it is definitely grounded in what we know of that person.
Does that make sense? ^^ So yeah, I definitely agree that some things would be out of character because of what we know of the real people (unless of course a fic builds it up enough that they can convince me through the story). But other things are out of character based on how we have created that 'character' through fandom. At least that's what I've seen coming from pundit fandom - because really, I dont' think the Keith Olbermann that we wrote about actually has much to do with the real man, not really. But we still all had a sense of who the 'character' was (based partly on his personality, and partly on fic). And of course, to make it all more complicated, we are basing fic on their public personas, not who they are in their private life. :)
(and AUs are a whole other discussion, for sure, esp in RPF... I like RPF AUs that still provide a strong sense of those 'characters', and aren't just original characters with the actors names slapped on them. Pundit fandom had some great AUs where I could totally say 'oh yeah, that is SO Stephen Colbert' even though he was a college student or whatever, and even though my sense of Stephen's character was more based on fic than who he actually really is. But at the same time, the character we've created is absolutely grounded in what we know of Stephen and what we have seen of him in real life.)
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I've come to believe that, when it comes to RPF, there are 4 personae per character:
- the real one (that no one outside of the RL!person will ever get to meet. I'm referring to family, close friends and co-workers)
- the public one (while performing onstage, on TV, in a movie, an interview, a concert, etc.)
- the fandom one (where the fandom will cull all of the public data--interviews, TV/movie appearances, etc.--and create the RPF profile)
- the fanon one (which mostly describes signatures quirks and lines the RPF character is known for.)
To me, a good fic will play with the three personae (not the real one for obvious reasons).
Like you, I like RPF AUs that gives us enough of the 'characters' to recognize them but don't go overboard with the signature quirks/lines.